There goes my baby
My good ole' days were a week ago. There were times when somebody would just lovingly wrap her arms around me. There were times when I would carry someone up the stairs in my arms. There were times when someone would lovingly admonish me for driving slow and I would continue to do so just to tease her. There were times when someone would use my back as a pillow while studying. There were times when I did this and that but alas,those times are over.
C came over tonight. Or should I say, I convinced her to come over and study at my place since we are still friends. I thought maybe maybe there was still something salvageable. To use medical lingo, I was hoping that it was still a Full Code situation. I was prepared to throw the sink at it if I had to. Hell, I was not even opposed to a little mouth to mouth breathing if that would have made a difference. But to my dismay, it turned out to be a Do Not Resuscitate situation. I tried feeble attempts to revive the conversation about "us" but she remained steadfast and stubborn in her stance. I don't blame her. She is probably right in her own way but tell that to my heart.
She stayed for a few hours. We had some ice-cream for old times sake. But even the damn ice-cream tasted nasty. And then, it was time for her to leave. As a gentleman that I am, I walked with her to the door. We stood there for a few minutes making small talk nervously. I wanted to hold her hand and beg her to stay. I tried to read her mind by looking at her face. But her face did not betray any of her emotions. Nor did those green eyes. The same green eyes, which not in the very distant past, had been my best friends. I lifted my hand but stopped midway. It was too late. She had turned her back and had started to walk away.
I stood at the door watching her walk away. Every step that she took, I prayed that she would stop. I prayed that she would atleast turn around and exchange a final look, the look that would tell me some sort of indication that she still felt anything for me. The look, by which I would be able to spend the rest of my life with. "woh nazar jiske sahare mein baki ki jindagi goojar doonga".
But she didn't. She kept walking (some would say, briskly) and kept walking. And then she turned the corner and with that last step, she walked out of my sight and I am afraid, out of my life. The passage was brightly lit with pretty lights, the air was still and musty and I stood there wondering how things could change so fast. No answers came to mind. Like they say, American appliances don't work in Europe and I guess, Indian men don't work in America. You know, it is all about the "connection".
As I started to turn around and drag myself in, I noticed something on the floor. I bent down to take a closer look. It seemed familiar. "I'll be damned", I told myself. It was my darn heart. God bless my soul. The poor bugger was badly mangled but it was still beating. The rascal just won't quit. C had very skillfully dropped it on the ground as she was leaving, severing the final ties and sealing the deal. I picked it up and put in the refrigerator where it would lay healing, only for the next angel to come and break it.
C came over tonight. Or should I say, I convinced her to come over and study at my place since we are still friends. I thought maybe maybe there was still something salvageable. To use medical lingo, I was hoping that it was still a Full Code situation. I was prepared to throw the sink at it if I had to. Hell, I was not even opposed to a little mouth to mouth breathing if that would have made a difference. But to my dismay, it turned out to be a Do Not Resuscitate situation. I tried feeble attempts to revive the conversation about "us" but she remained steadfast and stubborn in her stance. I don't blame her. She is probably right in her own way but tell that to my heart.
She stayed for a few hours. We had some ice-cream for old times sake. But even the damn ice-cream tasted nasty. And then, it was time for her to leave. As a gentleman that I am, I walked with her to the door. We stood there for a few minutes making small talk nervously. I wanted to hold her hand and beg her to stay. I tried to read her mind by looking at her face. But her face did not betray any of her emotions. Nor did those green eyes. The same green eyes, which not in the very distant past, had been my best friends. I lifted my hand but stopped midway. It was too late. She had turned her back and had started to walk away.
I stood at the door watching her walk away. Every step that she took, I prayed that she would stop. I prayed that she would atleast turn around and exchange a final look, the look that would tell me some sort of indication that she still felt anything for me. The look, by which I would be able to spend the rest of my life with. "woh nazar jiske sahare mein baki ki jindagi goojar doonga".
But she didn't. She kept walking (some would say, briskly) and kept walking. And then she turned the corner and with that last step, she walked out of my sight and I am afraid, out of my life. The passage was brightly lit with pretty lights, the air was still and musty and I stood there wondering how things could change so fast. No answers came to mind. Like they say, American appliances don't work in Europe and I guess, Indian men don't work in America. You know, it is all about the "connection".
As I started to turn around and drag myself in, I noticed something on the floor. I bent down to take a closer look. It seemed familiar. "I'll be damned", I told myself. It was my darn heart. God bless my soul. The poor bugger was badly mangled but it was still beating. The rascal just won't quit. C had very skillfully dropped it on the ground as she was leaving, severing the final ties and sealing the deal. I picked it up and put in the refrigerator where it would lay healing, only for the next angel to come and break it.
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"I picked it up and put in the refrigerator where it would lay healing, only for the next angel to come and break it."
Now you need little bit of optimism here- may be next angel to come and fix ( wish I can use better word)it.
This is what I live with everyday
"even if you are going through hell- keep going! ( That is only way you going to get out of it)
What is difference between suffering and Nirvana - state of mind.
oye thand rakh. I cannot believe that you are a doc and still single. u should be real hot property man. UNLESS you are looking for someone who comes from a non traditional sikh family and would rather find someone on her own (read clean shaven)
Harry I have been reading your blog for a while now.
I am a turbaned sikh man. I usually avoid the company of sikh girls. I find my self much much more comfortable with non sikh girls.
Usually, sikh girls are the same, they avoid the company of turbaned sikh guys mostly because they expect that the guys would ask them out and they dont want to go out with a hairy bear.
Anyway, I usually find non sikh girls less prejudiced against me. All of my relationships have been with non sikh girls. I am not saying that sikh girls are not good enough or anything. In my experience, they have just not been as nice.
The thing is that marrying a Turbaned sikh Guy is kind of Uncool .... for many sikh women..
So my cousin is actually marrying a 230 pound clean shaven hippo ,,
Ha! Now that's fuuny
Yes I know, marrying a turbaned sikh guy is uncool for sikh girls. Isnt is the same as the 60's think when it was uncool for a white woman to marry a black man?
If they think its uncool, its probably because they are racially prejudiced--and I will have nothing to do with a racist.
To be frank, sikh girls drive me nuts. They are the most predujiced lot I have ever met. I mean, their father and brother will be a turbaned sikhs and then they will say, "I do not like turbaned sikh men". To me, they are just racist arseholes who are confused about their own existence.
Like I mentioned before, I feel much more comfortable with non sikh women-they are just unbelievably cool.
"The thing is that marrying a Turbaned sikh Guy is kind of Uncool .... for many sikh women..
So my cousin is actually marrying a 230 pound clean shaven hippo"
By far the most honest and hilarious comment thus far!
I implore the other Sikh women to come clean as well.
everybody talks about my so and so cousin or so and so friend.
Do you have any examples about ur own sisters?
My younger sister is dating a hindoo guy. According to her, sikhs are just uncouth, and difficult and domineering, though she claims that the guys in our family are an exception.
initially I thought it was just peer pressure of dating someone as good looking as her, and sardars are obviously not good looking. Later I realized that she was serious;she somewhat believed in her comments.
sad, but true.
What is this about guys and complaining about women. Yes some Asian girls are "prejudiced" towards marrying a sikh man but you can't say that about all of them. There are still some women in the world who don't mind a sikh guy with a beard and turban. My advice to all of you (men who think that sikh women are hopeless) is to be patient and give us "other sikh women" a chance.
*Ms A who was in the UK
P.s
I'm coming clean.....
My cousin who comes from a clean shaven family is now getting married to a special guy who has a turban and a beard!
Ms A. you belong to a very rare breed, though not extinct, is certainly endangered.
And tied to the future of your breed is the extinction of sikhism as we know it today.
Soon there will be no turbaned sikhs. I will bet all my money on 50 years.
Manu
Don't say that Manu. Of course there will be turbaned sikhs. My kids and grandkids atleast :D
Harry, what you said about your poor refrigerated heart was really sweet. I am sure you will meet that special someone to look after your heart- just have patience
To be a Sikh, a person has to actually live it. It's not passed on through your genes. It is believed in and put into practice. The majority of "Sikh" girls are simply punjabi girls from a sikh background. Like it or not, it's the truth man.
As for real Sikh girls (read practicing, there's no difference - does the expression 'non practicing Sikh' have any internal logical consistency?), many do go for turbaned sikhs.
"Soon there will be no turbaned sikhs. I will bet all my money on 50 years."
Manu
Now this is one of the most idiotic comments that has been posted thus far. As long as the Sikh religion exists, and perhaps even when the Sikh religion no longer exists, there will always be individuals boistrous and brave enough to claim that they are the last Sikhs standing.
Manu, I will place the 50 year bet with you. If you are right, I will give you everything I will own in 50 years, and all you have to give me is $50,000. Start saving! I am even willing to make this a legal contract if you are man enough to stand behind you hypothesis.
"Like they say, American appliances don't work in Europe and I guess, Indian men don't work in America." hahaha !!!
i dont understand why is it "uncool" to marry sikh turbaned guys, i m not a sikh and if i were to marry a sikh i'd preffer a turbaned man over a non-turbaned one. it shows how strong they are about their faith and their love for The Guru. and shows that he stands up for himself and his faith and faces the world and makes people accept him for what he is instead of changing himself so that he'd be accepted.
puja you have made me do your puja.
manu, man u are a faggot!
why is everyone here "anonymous" ??
nobody- dont puja me, puja Waheguru.
but thanks anyway, hehe !!
Guys I am sorry if I hurt any feelings. I did not mean my statement to be taken literally but I stand by its essence. The sikh turban has this additional social pressure from within the community, and it will only increase in the future.
Though I do not say that sikhism will become extinct, I am sure that within a few decades only a very small fraction of sikh population will be turbaned. The face of sikhism will transform. I have no well thoughtout views about whether this is good for the community. On the face of it, it looks like sikhism will merge back into its mother religion and just become another sect. On the positive side, the next generation sikh youth will probably concentrate more on the central beliefs of sikhism than outer appearance.
Sorry again and rab rakha.
Manu
"Soon there will be no turbaned sikhs. I will bet all my money on 50 years."
Ha! Now that is funny since you are clearly gonna lose that bet. I honestly don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time. All of my friends weather they are traditional or not have sardar boyfriends and one of them is hindu! You guys have to stop expecting so much from desi girls. From what it seems like, all of you guys want the girls to be forward and open but I bet that if she is open and forward your gonna say "she's to brash.. I don't like that in a desi gal" It's true isn't it?
*Ms A who was in the UK
To all the anonymous's, it will be very helpful if u all would put or names, chaliye if not names at least put, "anon 1", "anon 2", or something.
and now to that one anonymous who asked, "Hey Puja, My parents are also from Hissar - Tohana. Have you heard of it?" answer is Yes, i have heard of Tohana. have u ever been to Hissar ?? where in hissar ?? ...my mother is in hissar right now, i mean seriously i m not joking.
have a good weekend everyone
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We all were in desperate need for today's Hukumnama
ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੩ ॥
ਮਨਹਠਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਸਭ ਥਕੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇ ॥
ਮਨਹਠਿ ਭੇਖ ਕਰਿ ਭਰਮਦੇ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਸਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
ਨਾਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਘਰਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਆ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੧॥
ਮਃ ੩ ॥
ਸਬਦੈ ਸਾਦੁ ਨ ਆਇਓ ਨਾਮਿ ਨ ਲਗੋ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
ਰਸਨਾ ਫਿਕਾ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਨਿਤ ਨਿਤ ਹੋਇ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਪਇਐ ਕਮਾਵਣਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਮੇਟਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
ਪਉੜੀ ॥
ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਸਤ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹਮ ਕਉ ਸਾਂਤਿ ਆਈ ॥
ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਸਤ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥
ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਜਿਸ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ ॥
ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਵੈਰੀ ਮਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਹਮ ਕਉ ਸਭ ਸਮ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ ॥
ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਮਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਉ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਬਣਾਈ ॥੧੯॥
SHALOK, THIRD MEHL:
No one has ever found the Lord through stubborn-mindedness. All have grown weary of performing such actions. Through their stubborn-mindedness, and by wearing their disguises, they are deluded; they suffer in pain from the love of duality. Riches and the supernatural spiritual powers of the Siddhas are all emotional attachments; through them, the Naam, the Name of the Lord, does not come to dwell in the mind. Serving the Guru, the mind becomes immaculately pure, and the darkness of spiritual ignorance is dispelled. The jewel of the Naam is revealed in the home of ones own being; O Nanak, one merges in celestial bliss. || 1 || THIRD MEHL: One who does not savor the taste of the Shabad, who does not love the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and who speaks insipid words with his tongue, is ruined, again and again. O Nanak, he acts according to the karma of his past actions, which no one can erase. || 2 || PAUREE: Blessed, blessed is the True Being, my True Guru; meeting Him, I have found peace. Blessed, blessed is the True Being, my True Guru; meeting Him, I have attained the Lords devotional worship. Blessed, blessed is the Lords devotee, my True Guru; serving Him, I have come to enshrine love for the Name of the Lord. Blessed, blessed is the Knower of the Lord, my True Guru; He has taught me to look upon friend and foe alike. Blessed, blessed is the True Guru, my best friend; He has led me to embrace love for the Name of the Lord. || 19 ||
So Harry took off my post - no probs I know its hard to face the truth.
To Pujaa - most of my family is from the Haryana side. Dads side from Tohana and Diwana. AND moms side from Shahabad Markandaa.
Not to many Haryanvee's around, most are the pompous Punjabi's........yes I have been to Hissar, stayed there for about 3 months with my Uncles.
Pujaa - who are the Baba's on you blog anyway?
Harry, I'm sorry to hear things did not work out. Speaking as one who has been through more relationships than I care to count, and one that especially ended badly, the pain does lift with time. There have been times when I was close to throwing in the towel and thought I should stay a spinster, but after healing, I decided to start looking again. I am still looking, but hopefully not for long. Being an American woman, if I wish to find a spouse, I have to do it on my own, so I must continue in this relationship roller-coaster until I find that person.
Take some time away, keep yourself busy, do some activities with your friends, let yourself heal. But don't stay away for too long, or it will be harder to start looking again.
Hey, take some time to review some of the other blogs. There are some very interesting writers in Sikh-land (and many are more compassionate than some of the anons posting comments here). Heck, I wouldn't mind if you visited my blog, though it's not nearly as interesting as others I've seen. :-D
And hey, don't give up totally on Western girls because of one relationship. I've known a number of Indians who successfully married Americans. It can happen. Either way, whether your future mate is a Punjabi Sikh woman or a Western woman, she's out there somewhere.
Try to have a nice Memorial Day weekend, and stay in Chardhi Kala!
Thanks Rochelle for your kind words. It is hard to be in a relationship and then see it crumble even though it was only for three months. It is harder for me because I am new to this. But I think I will make it.
I have been to your blog before and to others as well. I enjoy perusing through them in my free time.
Once again, I thank you for your concern and wish you luck too.
to anon- they are Baba ji. read the stuff that's there, hopefully it'll make sense. if not u can eamil me to ask.
I have been reading this blog and comments with dismay. What we are forgetting is that it is the direct result of our slavery and our occupation and ultimate humilation. Today sikh nation is committing its own genocide by female infanticide and the the wilful abduction of its women by others. Please read this excellent article.
Sikh Women: The Great Betrayal
I must thank Jitender Singh for bringing up the subject of apostasy among so called "modern" Sikh women and their craze for "clean shaven modern Sikhs".(Wanted not clean shaven modern sikh).
I am rather surprised at the total lack of discussion on this very important issue as well as the marriage of thousands of Sikh women to Hindus, Muslims and now Christians of all shades. Ironically the Sikhnet run by what our "modern" Sikh girls will describe as "backward or orthodox" Sikhs has become a favorite drubbing ground for Sikh Saroop.
Recently there was a posting on the Sikhnet by a young girl studying to become a lawyer. The ad read " If you like Pina Clada and making love in the moon and if you are clean shaven Jat Sikh only then bother to reply". When I hear of the "modern" Punjabi women drinking in clubs and dancing with all and sundry, I am almost tempted to say "You come a long way baby" from the sachi, suchi te sharif daughter of Punjab village, as very eloquently described by Dhani Ram Chatrik in his beautiful poem " Balle ni Punjab dee-ay sher Bachee-ay"
Almost every other day we hear of the heart wrenching news of running away of a Sikh women with a non Sikh The case of an 18 years old Sikh school girl who eloped to Texas from her New York home with an illegal Hindu who seduced her on the internet made headlines in the local papers. The girl was so brainwashed that she made all kinds of accusations against her own family causing considerable inconvenience and harassment from law enforcement agencies.
Only a few weeks ago the Newspapers in Michigan, reported the case of another Sikh girl who married a Muslim whom she met on the Internet.She was physically abused and had burn marks all over her body from cigrette butts. She was about to be taken to Pakistan, from where probably she may have never returned. There have been many cases of Sikh women in UK who were forced to convert after marriage to Muslims, taken to either Pakistan or middle east and some of them may have even ended up in brothels.
The marriage of Sikh women, specially well educated professionals here in the west to non-Sikhs, has become a common feature in any local Sikh Gurdwara. I can understand that occasionally inter- racial and inter-religious marriages will happen specially when both parties pretend or claim to place their love on the same pedestal as Sohni-Mahiwal or Romeo-Juliet etc, but what is happening particularly with Sikh girls is a cause for great concern and humilation and is almost like wholesale abduction.
During the time of Mughal rule raiders like Ahmed Shah Abdali used to kidnap thousands of Indian women who were taken to Basra (Iraq) or Kabul and were auctioned off to the highest bidder. Brave Sikhs of Guru Gobind Singh made great sacrifices and suffered numerous genocides to stop this humiliation of Indian women. In one instance an armed convoy carrying 1600 Hindu women was confronted during midnight ( barah vajje) by Sikh guerillas and the women were freed from their captors and each and every one was restored to their families.
The irony of the fate is, that today, Sikhs themselves have become slaves in their own homeland because of the treachery and betrayal at the hands of the very same people whom they liberated from thousand years of bondage . Today Sikhs have been marginalized and disarmed and feel frustrated and helpless to protect their Nation and their women.
Sikh institutions like SGPC and Akal Takhat responsible for 'parchar', guidance and inspiration are all manned by corrupt Mahants and Masands who are under the influence and firm control of our enemies.
When nations become slaves, the women are the first target of the occupying powers. The tools of abduction have now changed and are political, economic ,media and cultural domination. You have only to look in New Delhi, Bombay and Chandigarh to realize the shameful state of affairs. The best, the sophisticated, the most beautiful Sikh women are the clear targets and thousands of Sikh women are literally "sleeping with the enemy". The attitude of these women can be best described as "Great Betrayal". On the contrary you can count on finger tips the number of Hindu Muslim or other women who have come and married and settled with Sikh men.
Guru Nanak taught us to live our lives with dignity and self respect and was concerned about the influence of foreign culture and language on Indian populace when he observed
Ghar Ghar Mee-aan Sabhna Jee- aa, Bolee avar tumaaree ( SGGS Page 1191)
Its about time that this topic, although uncomfortable and complicated, must be discussed openly in Gurdwaras, Sikh retreats, Sikh Camps, and every Sikh home. We must talk to our youth and specially to all young Sikh women because they are the most venerable. They must be made aware of the ramifications of their actions on the Sikh families and the Sikh Nation. They must be told of the the great Sikh history and the brave Sikh women who stood like rock aginst all asaults on the Sikh nation. We need urgent action by all concerned otherwise the very survival of the Sikh nation will be at stake.
Gurteg Singh
That is a highly prejudiced article.
Every person tries to maximize his/her happiness in life. If a highly qualified sikh woman decided to marry a hindu, she made her choice, she was not ABDUCTED or brainwashed.
The "excellent" article you talk about just reflects the author's insecurities and his disrespect for the freedom of choice.
Yes, everybody tries to maximize his/her happiness in life. Harry is trying to do the same. He wants a sikh wife for himself who will bring bring him bliss. If sikh women dont like turbaned sikh men, they do so because of their belief that a person with a lot of hair will be not good for their happiness!
Is it a prejudice on their part? probably. Is it wrong for them to look elsewhere if they cannot find good looking turbaned sikh men? probably not. Is it wrong for them to make their own decisions? certainly not.
anon above,
A person who is not faithful to her own religion cannot be faithful in any relation, be it with a sikh or a non sikh.
Let these women be unfaithful to others and let those others repent for marrying unfaithful women.
Therefore I advise Harry not to go near such women who have humiliated their religion and their gurus.
Hate them as they hate your turban, hate them as you hate Aurnagzeb or Massaa Rangarr.
If it were in their power they will ask you to take off turban and they will covert Harimandir into a dance bar just like Massa Rangarr did becasue that will MAXIMIZE THEIR HAPPINESS.
dude! u call yourself a sikh? since when did sikhism preach hatred?
And hate who? your own people?
A person who is not faithful to her own religion cannot be faithful in any relation, be it with a sikh or a non sikh.
Let these women be unfaithful to others and let those others repent for marrying unfaithful women.
I advise Harry not to go near such women who have humiliated their religion and their gurus.
Hate them as they hate your turban, hate them as you hate Aurnagzeb or Massaa Rangarr.
If it were in their power they will ask you to take off turban and they will covert Harimandir into a dance bar just like Massa Rangarr did becasue that will MAXIMIZE THEIR HAPPINESS.
If it were in their power, they would like to convert sikhs into non sikhs FASTER than Auranzeb did by torture, humiliation and financial rewards, becasue this will MAXIMIZE THEIR HAPPINESS.
Harry Ji. SSA.
I have been reading your blog for some time now.
If you chose to keep your turban and hair, you should not have expected a normal life. You will face discrimination because you are different from the crowd. And why should you expect sikh women to treat you any better? They are also people, and have their own opinions about things. Reasoning that they being sikhs will make them more sympathetic to your appearance is utopian bull. All of us grew up in the same environment where having a turban is considered orthodox and uncool. More so after 9/11.
I do not know if there is a clear solution to your problem. Painful as it may sound, removing your turban is one, if you seriously consider it a problem in finding a wife. But then, why should somebody else's prejudices guide your life?
I will be very surprised if you are not able to find a wife for yourself ever. There are very many sikh women who will still marry someone their parents chose, even if not enthusiastically. Marry one of them if you like, or stay single forever.
Ms Anon above,
Don't forget that even the ugliest, fattest and the poorest man and woman from the slums can get married, so your suggestion to Harry that he remain single for ever if he chooses to wear turban is baseless.
Harry is a doctor and girls like you beg him for a job as mere secreteries and receptionists. People like Harry reject marital proposals from people like you because they think you are not worthy of attaining a status of wife because you have been labeled unfaithful and trecherous breed to your gurus and religion.
How can you be faithful to your husband and family, when you failed to show any loyalty to your gurus ? How can one believe that you will not humiliate your husband and your family by your black acts when you have a reputation of humiliating your gurus?
You will never be loyal to anyone and whoever marries you, will repent for marrying an unfaithful woman.
"You will face discrimination because you are different from the crowd."
isnt that what the Guru's taught us, to stand out from the crowd and be seen ??
"You will face discrimination because you are different from the crowd."
isnt that what the Guru's taught us, to stand out from the crowd and be seen ??
Exactly what I am trying to say! He chose to follow his Guru's path, at least partially. Why should it bother him that most girls reject him for that? It was his decision, and he is solely responsible for the consequences.
Question Harry: After going through all this, will you make your children turbaned sikhs? That is, if you get married.
I really don't think good old Harry has really chosen his path yet. From reading your blogs you don't seem to know what being a Sikh means. You come accross as an ABCD - wearing your turban but not really having faith in your religion. Did the Guru's do what you are doing, did they teach this way of life. If you are going to wear the symbols of a Sikh (Turban), why don't you just act like one, are you even baptised into your faith?
I figure you are one confused guy!!!
There was another post on here that I guess you deleted, that let you have it, I thought it was bang on, not sure why you deleted it?
it is very easy to just sign ur name as "anonymous" and write whatever u feel like. since this is not my blog i probably should not get into this but i sense tension, lets just love each other and be supportive of harry instead of making him question his own beliefs. i m sure Guru has made the better or worse half of harry and some day he will find her. so just take it easy everyone and harry u too. i m out of this discussion now. gotta go finish homework, hehe !!
Third anon from bottom,
Harry is baptized if he keeps hair, a part of our body, in good condition, other 4 k's are not part of our body (kanga, kara, kirpan, undergarment), so they need not be with you all the time, e.g. during sex, air-travel or bath etc.
In fact, ones amrit is NEVER broken if one of these 4 k's are forsaken, but ones amrit is broken if one K , (the hair) , are not kept in good condition (Guru ka sikh kesan di "Be-Adbee" na Kare):Hukam nama, 10th guru.
"Be-adbee" is not equal to uncut hair. Be-adbee means clean and well gromed hair, not dirty and messy hair (this is Be-adbee).
Thus if Harry keeps his hair in good condition and even though he does not wear other K's, he is puran amritdhari, provided he also abstains from 3 other Bazarr kurehats, namely adultery, Smoking tobacco, and meat or kutha.
Rest all other sins are to be removed gradually, but even when they are not removed , a person's amrit is never broken by these sins, which include slander, theft, anger, greed and so on.
Ms Anon:
Are you the same one from the UK?
Mr ?
Mr ?
No it's not me. SORRY!
Ms A who was in the UK!
harry dont u just wish today u were born some 200 years back?
"harry dont u just wish today u were born some 200 years back?"
Technology, vaccines, sanitation have brought us many comforts but can they bring happiness as well.
Would you rather roll around in your shit in bliss or be distraught living in the material world.
yea, but it was easier to find someone to marry.esp if you were a sikh. women have more freedom now and they dont like hair anymore
Hi Harry,
It's not so unusual to become deeply attached to someone in such a short period. It's happened to me and to friends of mine as well. (-: Sometimes you can meet someone, and in a short time feel like you've known them for years.
To be honest, I'm not sure it ever really gets easier to break up when you're really "into" someone. You're always putting yourself at risk when you open your heart to someone.
By the way, if you need a distraction, like independent movies, and have a discount theater where you live, I recommend checking to see if "The Fastest Indian in the World" is playing. It's not about Indian people, but a New Zealander with an "Indian" motorcycle (somehow I doubt any manufacturer could get away with a brand like that nowadays). It sounds kinda boring, but my friend and I got a surprise and really liked the movie.
Take care, Harry! Don't stay away from blogging for too long. (-:
--Rochelle
To THE Anon who says Harry is baptised if he keeps his hair and the other 4 K's can be removed when one has sex, bath and fly's.
You are completly wrong, pls read the "rehat Namaa" (code of conduct) published by the Akal Takht. In this you will find it says the Kakaar's are never to be removed from the body voluntarily, if done so in dire circumstances one is to perfom ardaas before and after. Kakaara are kept on during sex and bathing - this is all common knowledge for those who are actually baptised and who have actually read the rehats both past and present.
As for being baptised - you are only so when you have presented yourself in front of the Panj Piaraa's and they accept your plea for baptism - and you recieve Amrit of the Khandaa prepared by them. There is no other baptism and those who still have there hair but not baptised are frowned upon and called "Sehajdhari" i.e slow to learn and commit oneself to the the GURU.
There is no salvation for a Sikh without Amrit, it is only the first stage in reaching the Lord. Pls don't twist the Sikh traditions to fit your mind, go with the Guru, you will never go wrong.
Take Care and peace!! We all hope Harry (and eveyone else) finds that special sardarni/sardar you are looking for. We all hope you become a shinning light for our Panth and you motivate others to live in the light of the Lord as well.
Somehow to me it seems that it might be difficult to have sex with a kacchera (shorts) on... but then again, I don't know. I haven't tried. :-)
Give Harry a break! he just broke up. Dont u people have even a single ounce of sympathy?
Anon above,
I respectfully disagree with your views. My reasons follw:
SECONDARY EVIDENCE:
You should give reasoning based on gurbani (primary evidence), not secondary evidence (SGPC OR AKAL TAKHAT). You qoute SGPC or Akal Takhat to support your conclusion (this is secondary evidence).
Akal Takht is not equal to guru and often different akal takht rehits in different times have been different. The only thing that is constant is guru and gurubani, so its always better to support conclusions on them.
Akal Takht or any other expert's evidence could definately be PERSUASIVE, BUT NEVER CONCLUSSIVE, ONLY GURUBANI'S EVIDENCE IS CONCLUSSIVE.
CUSTOM:
You also quote tradition or custom as an evidence (this kind of evidence is DEFINATELY acceptable). But the custom must be unequivocally and unambiguously establised without major dissent. As you will agree, the bulk of followers of Sikh religion do not accept these custom, hence this custom cannot become a rule of religious law.
ONLY GURU IS ERRORLESS;
FEW EXAMPLES OF ERRORS IN SGPC REHIT:
If you depend too much on SGPC or Akal Takht's rehit then you will also have to agree with the following few controversial and unaccepetable SGPC rehits:
1. A sikh who dyes must be boycotted {SGPC REHIT ARTICLE 22(q)(3)}
2. A sikh who cuts his hair must be boycotted:
"You must not associate with a Sikh who had uncut hair earlier and has cut it" (ARTICLE 22(P))
The word "Must not" in above line means absolute prohibition.
3. A man or a woman should not pierce their ear (ARTICLE 16(K)).
4. A sikh can kill innocent animals for eating other than in a muslim way (ART 22(P))
Now according to these rehits, if you are dealing with your reletives who cut their hair or dye them, you offend rehit and you are liable for boycott.
YOUR MISINTERPRETATION OF SGPC REHIT:
You say kakars (K's) can only be removed during dire emergency. However, I disagree because there is no mention of any emergency. The SGPC rehit says 5 k's are to be worn "all the time" Art. 22(p).
But if they are removed for any reasons, amrit is not broken. The amrit is ONLY BROKEN if 4 transgression are committed (dishonour of hair, tobacoo smoking, meat eating in muslim way, and adultery) (ART 22(p).
CONCLUSION:
Therefore I maintain that it is consistent with SGPC/Akal Takhat rehit that a person is still baptized if he honours his hair though he is not wearing other 4 k's (the authourity for this calim is in SGPC rehit Article 22(p).
Thank you for your comment on my posting, I appreciate your effort, but I respectfully disagree with your views as they have no evidentiary base either in gurbani or in SGPC rehit and nor in custom.
Actually my views on amritdhari issue wwere in response to the 3rd or 4th anon above (by the time I posted my comment two other anons posted theirs also so I am making it clear for reference purpose.
By the way, gurbani is very clear on meat issue but SGPC/Akal takhat allows killing of innocent animals for food even in non emergency circumsatnces.
I maintain that the only way meat can be eaten is by hunting naturally when there is an emergency (but this is a separate issue, which may consume much space, so I referain from discussing it here)
5th anon above,
Re: Amritdhari Issue,
I respectfully disagree with your views. My reasons follw:
SECONDARY EVIDENCE:
You should give reasoning based on gurbani (primary evidence), not secondary evidence (SGPC OR AKAL TAKHAT). You qoute SGPC or Akal Takhat to support your conclusion (this is secondary evidence).
Akal Takht is not equal to guru and often different akal takht rehits in different times have been different. The only thing that is constant is guru and gurubani, so its always better to support conclusions on them.
Akal Takht or any other expert's evidence could definately be acepted as PERSUASIVE evidence, BUT IT IS NEVER CONCLUSSIVE, ONLY GURUBANI'S EVIDENCE IS CONCLUSSIVE.
CUSTOM:
You also quote tradition or custom as an evidence (this kind of evidence is DEFINATELY acceptable). But the custom must be unequivocally and unambiguously establised without major dissent. Hence a custom cannot become a rule of religious law, if it is not accpeted by the bulk of sikh society unambisuously.
ONLY GURU IS ERRORLESS;
FEW EXAMPLES OF ERRORS IN SGPC REHIT:
If you depend too much on SGPC or Akal Takht's rehit then you will also have to agree with the following few controversial and unaccepetable SGPC rehits:
1. A sikh who dyes his/her must be boycotted {SGPC REHIT ARTICLE 22(q)(3)}
2. A sikh who cuts his hair must be boycotted:
"You must not associate with a Sikh who had uncut hair earlier and has cut it" (ARTICLE 22(P))
3. A man or a woman should not pierce their ear (ARTICLE 16(K)).
4. A sikh can kill innocent animals for eating other than in a muslim way (ART 22(P))
Now according to these rehits, if you are dealing with your reletives who cut their hair or dye them, you offend rehit and you are liable for boycott. These SGPC rehits are riduculous and only reflect the illeteracy of the authours.
YOUR MISINTERPRETATION OF SGPC REHIT:
You say kakars (K's) can only be removed during dire emergency. However, I disagree because there is no mention of any emergency in the SGPC rehit.
The SGPC rehit says 5 k's are to be worn "all the time" Art. 22(p).
But if they are removed for any reasons, amrit is not broken. The amrit is ONLY BROKEN if 4 transgression are committed (dishonour of hair, tobacoo smoking, meat eating in muslim way, and adultery) (ART 22(p).
CONCLUSION:
Therefore I maintain that it is consistent with SGPC/Akal Takhat rehit that a person is still baptized if he honours his hair though he is not wearing other 4 k's (the authourity for this calim is in SGPC rehit Article 22(p).
Thank you for your comment on my posting, I appreciate your effort, but I respectfully disagree with your views as they have no evidentiary base either in gurbani or in SGPC rehit and nor in custom.
6th anon above,
Re: Amritdhari Issue,
I respectfully disagree with your views. My reasons follow:
SECONDARY EVIDENCE:
You should give reasoning based on gurbani (primary evidence), not secondary evidence (SGPC OR AKAL TAKHAT). You qoute SGPC or Akal Takhat to support your conclusion (this is secondary evidence).
Akal Takht is not equal to guru and often different akal takht rehits in different times have been different. The only thing that is constant is guru and gurubani, so its always better to support conclusions on them.
Akal Takht or any other expert's evidence could definately be accepted as PERSUASIVE evidence, BUT IT IS NEVER CONCLUSSIVE, ONLY GURUBANI'S EVIDENCE IS CONCLUSSIVE.
CUSTOM:
You also quote tradition or custom as an evidence. This kind of evidence is DEFINATELY acceptable. But the custom must be unequivocally and unambiguously established without major dissent. Hence a custom cannot become a rule of religious law, if it is not accpeted by the bulk of sikh society unambiguously.
ONLY GURU IS ERRORLESS;
FEW EXAMPLES OF ERRORS IN SGPC REHIT:
If you depend too much on SGPC or Akal Takht's rehit then you will also have to agree with the following few controversial and unaccepetable SGPC rehit rules:
1. A sikh who dyes his/her hair must be boycotted {SGPC REHIT ARTICLE 22(q)(3)}
2. A sikh who cuts his hair must be boycotted:
"You must not associate with a Sikh who had uncut hair earlier and has cut it" (ARTICLE 22(P))
3. A man or a woman should not pierce their ear (ARTICLE 16(K)).
4. A sikh can kill innocent animals for eating other than in a muslim way (ART 22(P))
Now according to these rehits, if you are dealing with your reletives who cut their hair or dye them, you offend rehit and you are liable for boycott. These SGPC rehits are riduculous and only reflect the illeteracy of the authours.
YOUR MIS-INTERPRETATION OF SGPC REHIT:
You say kakars (K's) can only be removed during dire emergency. However, I disagree because there is no mention of any "emergency" in the SGPC rehit. No-wehere.
The SGPC rehit says 5 k's are to be worn "all the time" (Art. 22(p).
But if they are removed for any reasons, amrit is not broken. The amrit is ONLY BROKEN if 4 transgressions are committed (which are : dishonour of hair, tobacoo smoking, meat eating in muslim way, and adultery) (ART 22(p).
CONCLUSION:
Therefore I maintain that it is consistent with SGPC/Akal Takhat rehit that a person is still baptized if he "honours his hair" though he is not wearing other 4 k's (the authourity for this claim is in SGPC rehit Article 22(p).
Thank you for your comment on my posting, I appreciate your effort, but I respectfully disagree with your views as they have no evidentiary base either in gurbani or in SGPC rehit and nor in custom.
Harry
be a man. Just cant understand you 'guys' in the US.
men still need to be macho.
forget this crap about being sensitive and in touch with your innerself.
no woman wants a hunk (thats us bearded sardis) to be a sissy!
heart in the fridge? yeah, younger borther, you be cold as ice!
toofan
I dont know what your situation is, well nobody can understand that as well as you can, but I must say, you are among the few blessed ones who can spell heart of their mouth. Your writing skills make me to implore you to become a writer. God Bless my friend, may ur choicest dreams be graced....
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Arvinder Kang-jee
please do take some time to find yourself; you seem to be pretty distracted by too many things.
Guru bhala kare
toofan
Hi Harry,
Do not despair.There are many sikhs in the same scenario as yourself.Look at the bright side.Love comes in all different colours and fragrances.My two turbaned brothers are happily married.One to a french and other to a japanese girl.They both appreciate sikh religion and culture more than my brit Sikh wife.
Punjabi culture and Sikhi Faith.. do they or do they not match.....
My personal opinion is this -- faith should take president over culture.. as this for sikhs is there fundimental beleif......
Our sisters are some what misguided to what our faith is. I think our parents generation and many before them have encouraged sikhi in their sons and saw there daughters as 'home makers', child barrers' .. this to me seems to be more so a Punjabi misconception !!
We've had a lot of great women sikhs starting from Mata Nankie (Guru Nanaks sister). Unforunatly we are lacking this in the 21st century. Seldom are there Punjabi sikh women who are i look at and am reminded of what our faith is...
The sisters need to get it together and stop chasing the MTV life style.. and really come to make some important decisions around there Choiced of Faith and what really matters in this world..
This will clearly be an ongoing challenge.. Sadly I other then my mother and grand mother I have yet to see an inspiring punjabi women who takes her faith seriously.
In Guru Gobinds words 'Manu sikhi nee piari manu raath piariee ai'. Sikhi isn't important to me but the life style you lead..
The present day is a testimonial to the lifestyle most punjabis wish to lead.
FOr me its clear.. you're faith should be hte driving factor.........
Fateh
On your appliances part: I guess all the appliances work everywhere with little bit of modification and that does not means changing the whole appliance.
Vahe guru jika khalsa vahe guru jiki fateh Jee!
It looks that all fingers are being pointed to Sikh Woman! Why? I know enough girls (in UK))-who not only don't mind turbaned guys but they themselves are into sikhi and Amritdari and they are not married yet! There is nothing wrong with these girls-they are educated, modern and into their religion and the guys who are Amritdari have a checklist and they want to tick all boxes! No one is perfect and no1 ever will be!!
I don't hear these girls writing a blog and complaining about Sikh man. I don't see them saying that Turbaned/Amritdari boys are arrogant and up themselves! Just like all our fingers are not same, not all human beings are the same!!
Gurkirpa stop judging Sikh girls. There are plenty of Sikh guys who have turban and have a very high expectation of Sikh girls. There are enough guys out there who laugh at sikh girls with hair on their body and I don't see them blaming all guys!
If rejected by ones like you, these girls will marry other races and sikhi will die forever and we are the ones to blame! Please remember that all of you were born from a Woman so stop this blaming!
Stop and look around and I am sure you will come to realise that you were wrong! There is lots of beautiful people out there..It takes time to find a jewel in life who accepts you in the roop guruji gave you! Patienance is key to sucess..and stop doubting your guru..Have faith in guruji, yourself and in Sikh girls!Let us know if you are still single and what type of girl you are after..the world is full of lovely people..you just have to look properly!!
Gurfatehji!!
Vaheguru jika khalsa Vaheguru jiki Fateh!
I have read your blog in depth now and it seems that there is so much finger pointing at SIKH GIRLS!You guys are so bitter and twisted huh!There have been TURBANED SIKH BOYS who have rejected girls based on their looks..do you hear/see girls saying all turbaned guys are the same! Just like all our fingers are not same, all humans hence all sikh girls are not same!!
You boyz are so proud of your turban and you call yourself a SIKH.. maybe some of the ones who have written those horrible things about sikh girls don't even deserve to be called SIKHS!!! Remember even in Gurbani..it tells you that from woman,we are born and then we call woman bad! Rememeber most of you were born to a SIKH WOMAN!!!
Harry Singh, you are not the only SIKH guy on this planet.There are other sikh man and they have got married as well!!
I know enough sikh girls who are not married and they are perfect sikhs and don't mind turbans and they are highly educated and everything! It is kismat and sanjog and everything happens according to the will of GURUJI! Keep faith in guruji and stop this blaming Sikh woman and grow up!!
Harry Singh-open your eyes and you will get to know that there is more to this world than being married!!
Takecare
Gurfatehji!!
A PROUD SIKH WOMAN WHO HAS MORE MENTAL STRENGTH THAN SIKH MAN....
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